What is the salary level of ICS controller (Internal Control Specialist) in Siemens factory (Tianjin)?

In general, Tianjin Siemens is okay, which is compared to other enterprises, you must not think of Germany Siemens, the difference is really too big, you can press the two enterprises to understand, the main difference is the problem of people. Germany Siemens is German culture, Tianjin Siemens is a mixed culture. Say a specific example of your own thinking and judgment, of course, any one example can not represent the whole enterprise, just give you some information, the details of which rely on your experience and thought. Tianjin Siemens has such a personnel manager Mr. KY (Mr. Kill You), who was recruited from Motorola after the former personnel manager was transferred to Beijing, Motorola, you know, that is, the dissolution of the Motorola, he used to do expatriate staff, employee relations. He just joined six months (the probationary period is six months) and took a three-month sabbatical. You may ask, just came to take three months of vacation at once, the boss can agree! This three-month leave was not a one-time application, but a one-week or two-week short-term application, which all Chinese people can understand. During the leave of absence he basically did not ask for work, it seems that you are not welcome to call for instructions, you can hear on the phone, text message instructions, you will have to wait, some of the work can not wait, you will look at the office, do a good job is considered lucky, do not do well is that you are not good, in short, nothing to do with the manager (the reason why I say that, we see just the result, the result is that employees have left, the manager is quite hard). After work, he came late and left early every day, because of something at home, until today, and even put words in the office - who said he came late and left early every day, then leave. His office door is always closed, whether it's occupied or not. You had to scramble to get to him for instructions or he was going home from work. You can calculate, in addition to the boss to find him a meeting, the manager of the meeting, how much time you can see him in the office, you can not find him, ask for instructions, that is your problem, the work is delayed, he picks your faults, if you and he theorized that he had something to do with you to pick a fight. To him for instructions, never directly on the ground, he said half a day, you can not hear the conclusion, I do not know whether he deliberately did not make it clear, or your comprehension is too poor. By the way, the manager should give employees work support, but you can get from him just to show you only a former Motorola PPT, regardless of whether it applies or not (also do not think about how Motorola lost). He often said that the bite of the dog does not show teeth, indeed, his surface is very low-profile, always wrapped up very tight, you rarely understand his true thoughts, he said every word is the workplace needs, he would say, to spend more time with their families, take care of the elderly, can immediately say that the report should be handed over to him tomorrow morning, of course, this report, you are the night to do or early morning to do it that's your business; you work overtime and overtime, he would say don't be too tired to see how you understand it. It depends on how you understand it. In addition, his face has no expression when he speaks, his eyes like staring at death, you can imagine the scene. Speaking of management, he often said that the department to open a regular meeting a week, but a year down, not open a few times, he advocated in the manager's meeting with the staff to communicate more, but he and his supervisor simply do not have the time to communicate one-on-one, because his time in the office is really limited, and he also want to appear in front of the boss more. He will say explicitly and implicitly, so that employees more to communicate with the boss, and personally demonstrate how to pour coffee by the boss into the boss's office scenarios, like a skit, voice and emotion, you may listen to as a music, but if you do not have to take action, it is not a music, at the same time, he will also be given to bows to his employees with words, expressions, in fact, encouragement to the employees to criticize the straight to the reality of the cold, and then not If you don't know what you're talking about, you'll be squeezed out. Young female employees still have an advantage, you can play their own conditions. The personnel of Tianjin Siemens is such an organizational structure, reporting directly to the headquarters in Beijing, and business to the boss in Tianjin. This organizational structure is similar to that of other departments, which anyone in a foreign company can understand. Let's put it this way: the manager of the Beijing headquarter doesn't come over once every few years, and only listens to the phone reports, and the boss of the same company in Tianjin only asks about the business, you know. Since the personnel manager since his appointment, half of the department's employees have left, and now a male employee are not, a color female employees, he put some of the problems pushed to the former manager, older employees to find an opportunity to open up, hard-working, conscientious and responsible can not be an employee due to frequent overtime work always have a fever, so that the body of a weak employee later resigned, and the staff due to the lack of hope to see their own Quietly looking for opportunities to other departments. Let's talk about the work, a time and attendance system project has been done for three years is not done, successive bosses in two sectors. Reported several projects, have not been completed, I should say that the implementation did not start. Personnel president of the headquarters also asked, what can be done, open N many times, every time he can be cleverly let the Beijing manager speechless, the phone this end of his complacency, often caller ID Beijing manager's phone, he let the staff pick up, said he was in the boss of the meeting. To the boss of the report he never write their own, which is why to recruit a secretary, modify the report, he was drinking a Coke, while pointing to the screen, the secretary hands to change, the German bosses are not so. You do not see a time and attendance system project for three years have not been done, but he is particularly concerned about the boss's party, N meetings, ask about the progress of the preparation of every detail to ask, of course, the success of the party, the boss's face has a light. So you ask Siemens is good, depending on which department you are in, how the manager of this department. And it also depends on what kind of person you are and what kind of person you want to be. Chinese people understand that it's always good to kiss ass. If you can become a manager, it is safer, because the manager is the object of attention, go away is always the staff (because the staff is a root grass, withered a few grass who will be concerned about it. The so-called social responsibility, is to donate some money to the disaster area, donate some things; employees are not corporate assets depends on whether you will shoot the manager's ass, decide whether you are a treasure, or a grass. Siemens talent strategy, Siemens did spend a lot of thought, there is a large set of lofty theories, there is a beautiful PPT, by the headquarters down the implementation of the development of a lot of operational policies and processes, but these policies and processes, how many landed, no one really go to verify, so that there is a basis for the headquarters of the people only to look at the list of talents reported, do not ask the process, the list is empty, is not really on the These talented employees are concerned, no one asked. A talented employee from the list disappeared, just a number, after all, for such a huge company, an employee can have a big role it. Tianjin Siemens Personnel Department has such an employee, yesterday also listed in the talent list, reported to headquarters, turn the day, the personnel manager told it to go, the reason is that the department does not need, not the performance of the problem, not the problem of work efficiency, not the attitude of the problem, not the problem of interpersonal relationships, not the problem of teamwork, not the problem of communication. There is a talented employee, the company spent millions of dollars to train for many years, but just can not give him a position, the employee is reluctant to leave, silently leave, no one to stay, no one to ask the real reason. This is the Tianjin Siemens, the personnel manager never up to report these, the truth of these are covered up. Is it not the same as imagined. If you are fortunate to be a treasure, the company will indeed invest a large sum of money in you, to train you, but this treasure is a scarce resource. Every year, we do employee surveys and listen to the voices of employees, but employees speak, but no one listens. A bunch of so-called senior management will only be in the office to study the report, look at the percentage, look at the graph, no one to go to the staff to actually understand, no one to solve the staff's problems. This is the talent strategy of Siemens, it can be said that the scripture is good, let the crooked mouth monk read the wrong. This personnel manager is precisely to see this situation, repeatedly beautify the PPT, because the managers look at the PPT is too much, in order to stand out, you have to spend effort to make efforts to stay up all night. Serious and responsible employees, if you will not be flattered, no one cares, you get the job done, the use of the value of less and less when it will be thrown away like garbage, the morning is still doing the job, the afternoon to tell you to go away, was told that it is not because of the performance of the work, not because of the attitude of the work, not because of the efficiency of the work, not because of the interpersonal communication, that is, the department does not want you, this is what happened to the Ministry of Personnel, the reality version of the This is a real-life version of what happened in the HR department, where the employee was classified as a talent the day before and reported to his superiors. You say, this is the German Siemens culture? I do not want to comment on how Siemens high-level how, perhaps high-level have high-level difficulties, perhaps high-level attention is more macro strategy; also do not want to comment on how this personnel manager how, after all, this personnel manager to see this reality, the use of the hands of the authority, to do something favorable to their own things, people are not for themselves, heaven and earth, you can say is wrong! Maybe this personnel manager did not get the warmth of the family as a child and left a psychological shadow, always first in the future will think of others extremely bad, so that his colleagues and subordinates listen to the shudder. Loyal ministers or not, treacherous ministers or not, the ministers or not, since ancient times. The reason why such a person can live in Tianjin Siemens can be hard, can only show that the boss of Siemens and Beijing personnel managers still need him, existence is reasonable. Tianjin Siemens recruited a person from Motorola to be the manager, I do not know whether this person is his introduction, Tianjin Siemens may have motorcycle gangs in the future, to become the second motorcycle. Often read some cause and effect, the so-called good reward, in fact, there are prerequisites, or comforting, evil people get the benefits of less? The good people were cheated less? So you have to ask Siemens is good, learn more about the real situation, only their own judgment, do not think that just want to earn a salary to support the family things are simple, so cherish the good manager you meet, especially with a conscience, there is a sense of the manager, which is more important than any ability to Siemens in Tianjin, there are a lot of righteous managers. Personal opinion, such as users have other views, welcome to correct. Once again, I have no intention of criticizing anyone, just a phenomenon that indicates a personal view of reality.